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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Archer" data-source="post: 153689" data-attributes="member: 2950">There aren't feats to duplicate most class abilities but there are feats superior to class abilities and spells the substitute for class abilities (spells are a class ability of their own.)Someone with divine grace isn't going to fail a fear save,Specialization is +2 damage on every attack against every monster, every minute of every day. Smite evil is insignificant in comparison.Remove disease, this is a cleric spell. You don't need to be immune if you can be cured. Spending a feat isn't even required to have this ability.Innate spell, you can now detect evil at will for the rest of your life without any code restrictions for the cost of 1 8th level slot. Most people would consider this a waste of a feat however.I contend you can buy (with treasure) almost any skill so whether you get 2 or 20 skill points per level, it makes little practical difference.How is a DM not going to let you come up with an idea? Make you tell another player so their character can have the idea?Cha is a dump stat because someone else has the high charisma.A character is effective when they do their thing better. If you already have the worst X in the party it hardly matters if your weak ability is even weaker.If you value spells so highly you play a cleric instead of a fighter. The cleric certainly doesn't have any less fighting ability. Most of the spells you mention are worthless when the paladin casts them as his caster level is so low compared to a real caster. If you can't live without a paladin spell, get it added to your weapon, usable 1x/day. It only costs a little money, not something valuable like a feat. If you value the paladin spell list as 7 feats then you'd value a wizard/sorceror/cleric at 25 feats.I play a paladin with only 2 levels of paladin, because paladin levels suck. Fighter, templar, divine champion and windrider are all far superior. I just have my sword cast holy sword and save the trouble of having to have 16 paladin levels to do the same thing. It costs 20k gcs but that is a small price to pay to save 14 character levels.</blockquote>

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