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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BlackMoria" data-source="post: 3769662" data-attributes="member: 424">I can understand the hatred of uber NPCs if the DM in your campaign is using Elminster to berate or browbeat the party or if Khelben Blackstaff or the Symbul teleport in to 'kill steal' the party's glory.  If a DM did this, I would hate the NPCs also.What I don't get is the hatred of NPCs that don't show up in YOUR campaign.  Fine, you may not like how NPCs are protrayed in novels or supplements but unless those NPCs you loath make an appearance in your campaign, why does it matter?  Hating NPCs that never show up in the campaign is like me getting a 'hate-on' for Bill Gates because I read that he is the owner of Microsoft and one of the richest people of the world.  I've never met Bill Gates, Bill Gates doesn't call my home to tell me how wonderful Microsoft products are, he didn't force me to buy my computer and operating system, and he doesn't spam my email account.  Bill Gates is unlikely to show up on my doorstep and undermind my accomplishments or berate me or beat me up for not accepting that Microsoft is the one true way to enlightment and power.  I've no real reason to hate Bill Gates because he has done nothing personally to me or my dog. Nor am I likely to run into him, even if I live several lifetimes.  Hating Bill Gates because he owns Microsoft and is rich is not a valid reason to loath the man.  Hating a symbol or icon doesn't make sense if whatever is represented by the symbol or icon never makes a meanful impact in my life...or my game.Same with NPCs.  If the DM is having uber NPCs undermine the party or overshadow the party, the real issue is the DM misusing the NPCs or using them in the first place, not that the NPCs are protrayed a certain way in books in supplements.</blockquote>

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