Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Why are they keeping ability scores?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="GreatLemur" data-source="post: 3969405" data-attributes="member: 28553"><p>Damn, what is with all these people replying without even reading the first damn post? Come on, folks. It's three sentences long and completely clear.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I strongly believe there is no goddamned point in using both scores and modifiers if only the modifiers ever actually do anything. The fact that ability scores are actually addressed when feat prerequisites and ability damage comes up ain't all that meaningful, since the same mechanical effects can be achieved using ability modifiers instead.</p><p></p><p>I do think Kamikaze Midget has a point about working with scores giving such effects a greater continuum to work with, but it really is a false granularity, since only every other point actually <em>matters</em>. There's some really immersion-breaking absurdity in situations where the whole party suffers a -1 to Dexterity, and only the folks with even numbers in their Dex are meaningfully affected.</p><p></p><p>And anybody who's taught new players knows knows that the whole score/modifier thing is just one more mental hurdle to deal with. Not a big one, but players really need as few as possible during that process.</p><p></p><p>Really, when you come down to it, it looks like the reason they're keeping the ancient 3-through-18 ability spread is tradition and nothing more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreatLemur, post: 3969405, member: 28553"] Damn, what is with all these people replying without even reading the first damn post? Come on, folks. It's three sentences long and completely clear. Personally, I strongly believe there is no goddamned point in using both scores and modifiers if only the modifiers ever actually do anything. The fact that ability scores are actually addressed when feat prerequisites and ability damage comes up ain't all that meaningful, since the same mechanical effects can be achieved using ability modifiers instead. I do think Kamikaze Midget has a point about working with scores giving such effects a greater continuum to work with, but it really is a false granularity, since only every other point actually [i]matters[/i]. There's some really immersion-breaking absurdity in situations where the whole party suffers a -1 to Dexterity, and only the folks with even numbers in their Dex are meaningfully affected. And anybody who's taught new players knows knows that the whole score/modifier thing is just one more mental hurdle to deal with. Not a big one, but players really need as few as possible during that process. Really, when you come down to it, it looks like the reason they're keeping the ancient 3-through-18 ability spread is tradition and nothing more. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Why are they keeping ability scores?
Top