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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyclone_Joker" data-source="post: 6182588" data-attributes="member: 6750006">They are Evil because the system of morality in D&D is completely objective. This is made painfully obvious if you compare BoED and BoVD, where we learn that poisons are inherently Evil, but you can get Good totally-not-poisons-why-do-you-keep-calling-them-that to meet all the effects you want anyways, as well as wonders like Good brand(TM) Mind Rape.Good and Evil are defined cosmic laws. They are totally divorced from any real sense of morality just as much as the Modrons or anything from the Far Realms. Any action that is Evil is Evil, no matter what the results are. This is one of the first things I excised from my games. It's completely nonsensical and completely absurd, even if you ignore the horror that is BoVD page 8.</blockquote>