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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6183027" data-attributes="member: 37579">Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you think creating undead shouldn't be evil as default? Is there a reason you want it to be non-evil? You titled the thread "why are undead inherently evil?" but from your responses it seems like it should have been "I believe undead shouldn't be inherently evil", which is a very different topic. But as you say below, petitioners don't retain their memories anyways, so a brand new soul would be equivalent to an old soul as far as Hell is concerned. That doesn't really address my point about trapping the soul, or having mortal magic create souls.  There's also nothing really supporting the idea that create undead or similar spells create a brand new soul.  True point with speak with dead although it does say there's no intelligence or ability to learn. But intelligence undead are, by definition, intelligent. And undead like ghouls retain the languages they spoke in life so they're not some blank tabula rasa. Petitioners are only one type of soul. And as ghosts retain their memories it seems believable souls possess the knowledge of the self. And all templated undead retain their abilities so they have to retain their memories.</blockquote>