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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 2155848" data-attributes="member: 14159">Thus if you can't accept Warforged you never really can like Eberron, which is pretty much where I stand.They never need to sleep, so it's pretty dang hard to ambush a party at low levels at night, as they're always on-watch and never tired.  They don't need to eat or drink, which removes, again at low levels some plotting and planning for wilderness adventures.  Not needing to breathe?  It might not come up often, but it sure can short-circuit some adventures involving watery obstacles.  They are never unarmored, so even if surprised at home they are always ready for battle.  Not to mention that they are a type other than Humanoid.From a mechanical standpoint, Warforged give bonuses that are very, very big at 1st level (nonhumanoid type, no need to sleep/breath/eat/drink, no fatigue, fortification), and may be greatly lesser at higher levels.  They shouldn't be ECL +0.  If you look at the designer interviews, they say outright that they intentionally made the new races +0 so that they could be used in any game, marketing trumped game design here.From a flavor standpoint, Warforged are on the list of why I can't stand Eberron.  Robotic PC's don't belong in fantasy as far as I'm concerned, they are so far from what I consider "D&D" that I might as well be playing Star Wars and just play a Droid PC (Sharn is D&D Coruscant, and both are derived from old 30's and 40's serials).  As Marshall said, if you want to play an antisocial combat machine at ECL +0, Half Orc is there for you.  Want a different take on it?  Instead of half-breeds of Human and Orc, maybe they are the result of selective breeding and magical augmentation of humans to create a warrior race, but the "antisocial combat machine" niche is already filled in core rules at ECL +0.</blockquote>

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