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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Glyfair" data-source="post: 2172899" data-attributes="member: 53">Depends on what definition of "balanced" you use (and the DMG version for balanced stats is certainly controversial, at least).  I was referring to the original version having as many penalties as bonuses.  IIRC, they had a strength bonus (it's been a while since I heard this and I could be wrong).My point being, it seems a lot of people complaining about the LA issue seem to believe the designers designed the race, had an LA +1 (or more) race, had to have an LA +0 race, so pronounced it an LA +0 race.  Instead, the designers took what they had and reduced some abilities and maybe added some drawbacks to come up with an LA +0 race.</blockquote>