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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7619514" data-attributes="member: 4937">That may be true in part, but part of the negative consequence that gets drilled into small children is other small children bonking them in the nose or biting them back in response.&nbsp;&nbsp; That said, I don't remember a notable drop in violence between myself and my playmates, classmates, and even friends until we were about 15.&nbsp; There were plenty of explosive fights in elementary and middle school, sometimes between two kids that really didn't get along, or a bully and a victim, but sometimes between otherwise close comrades.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then, often as not, things would be smoothed over either immediately or a day or two later.Adjacent to this background, there were a group of older persons where the boundaries on violence never got set.&nbsp; The guy who sat in front of me in my home room class killed two people with a shotgun when a drug deal went wrong.&nbsp; A fight broke out between two upper classmen, and I ended up in the middle of rifle fire when one went out to his truck to get the means to settle the argument.&nbsp; And then there was that time the sons of the local KKK chapter told our RPG group we couldn't call ourselves Knights, and we had to explain to them with more than words that we really weren't going to be intimidated.So, while I do agree that toddlers become violent at times because they have difficulty expressing themselves and being understood, I'm more on the side of Gradine's appraisal that kids start violent and stay that way unless conditioned otherwise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7619514, member: 4937"] That may be true in part, but part of the negative consequence that gets drilled into small children is other small children bonking them in the nose or biting them back in response. That said, I don't remember a notable drop in violence between myself and my playmates, classmates, and even friends until we were about 15. There were plenty of explosive fights in elementary and middle school, sometimes between two kids that really didn't get along, or a bully and a victim, but sometimes between otherwise close comrades. Then, often as not, things would be smoothed over either immediately or a day or two later. Adjacent to this background, there were a group of older persons where the boundaries on violence never got set. The guy who sat in front of me in my home room class killed two people with a shotgun when a drug deal went wrong. A fight broke out between two upper classmen, and I ended up in the middle of rifle fire when one went out to his truck to get the means to settle the argument. And then there was that time the sons of the local KKK chapter told our RPG group we couldn't call ourselves Knights, and we had to explain to them with more than words that we really weren't going to be intimidated. So, while I do agree that toddlers become violent at times because they have difficulty expressing themselves and being understood, I'm more on the side of Gradine's appraisal that kids start violent and stay that way unless conditioned otherwise. [/QUOTE]

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