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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7622744" data-attributes="member: 16814">Well, yes, that's how it works -- your preference isn't objective just because you have it.&nbsp; And having an argument doesn't make it so, either.&nbsp; If acting is the superior form of roleplay as you claim, where is the evidence for such?&nbsp; I'm a bit surprised that you're actually arguing this.You've already acknowledged that roleplaying includes non-acting performances, so let's both ackowledge that roleplaying is broader than acting.&nbsp; Fundamentally, roleplaying is about assuming the role and motivations of a character.&nbsp; Now, it would seem to follow that the closer one can approximate the character's role and motivation, the better the roleplay.&nbsp; Agreed?Your argument is that this is accomplished by acting out the character in 1st person.&nbsp; I agree this can be so, but disagree that it is always so.&nbsp; Acting is a skill that isn't evenly distributed, and poor acting can act to distance or seperate a person from the character.&nbsp; From the other side, ut's possible to strongly empathize with a character without acting in first person -- ie, a character may be fully and faithfully represented in the 3rd person.&nbsp; Therefore, it stands to reason that acting may be sufficient for roleplay, but it is not necessary, and this carries through all levels of skill at roleplaying.The above is also not objective fact, but it does put paid to tge idea tgat your formulation is.&nbsp; What I find actually distasteful about your formulation on superior roleplay is that it takes ability in acting and uses this to tell players they aren't as good at roleplaying.&nbsp; This fails miserably if a player is playing a character with abilities outside of their own such that it is impossible for them to act out those abilities in person.&nbsp; It also is saying that the declaration of, &quot;Bob the Sage casts Augury by making the sign of the outworlds to call on Fgthan the Demure,&quot; is less roleplaying than acting out making the sign of Fgthan, especially when no one has any idea what this involves.You may noy be surprised that I also strongly disagree that social mechanics reduce interaction.&nbsp; Free Kreigspeil is not inherently superior.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7622744, member: 16814"] Well, yes, that's how it works -- your preference isn't objective just because you have it. And having an argument doesn't make it so, either. If acting is the superior form of roleplay as you claim, where is the evidence for such? I'm a bit surprised that you're actually arguing this. You've already acknowledged that roleplaying includes non-acting performances, so let's both ackowledge that roleplaying is broader than acting. Fundamentally, roleplaying is about assuming the role and motivations of a character. Now, it would seem to follow that the closer one can approximate the character's role and motivation, the better the roleplay. Agreed? Your argument is that this is accomplished by acting out the character in 1st person. I agree this can be so, but disagree that it is always so. Acting is a skill that isn't evenly distributed, and poor acting can act to distance or seperate a person from the character. From the other side, ut's possible to strongly empathize with a character without acting in first person -- ie, a character may be fully and faithfully represented in the 3rd person. Therefore, it stands to reason that acting may be sufficient for roleplay, but it is not necessary, and this carries through all levels of skill at roleplaying. The above is also not objective fact, but it does put paid to tge idea tgat your formulation is. What I find actually distasteful about your formulation on superior roleplay is that it takes ability in acting and uses this to tell players they aren't as good at roleplaying. This fails miserably if a player is playing a character with abilities outside of their own such that it is impossible for them to act out those abilities in person. It also is saying that the declaration of, "Bob the Sage casts Augury by making the sign of the outworlds to call on Fgthan the Demure," is less roleplaying than acting out making the sign of Fgthan, especially when no one has any idea what this involves. You may noy be surprised that I also strongly disagree that social mechanics reduce interaction. Free Kreigspeil is not inherently superior. [/QUOTE]

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