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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7623697" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Nice [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION]. Folks that disagree with you are now delusional. Yeah, that's going to go over well.</p><p></p><p>Of course, it's convenient when you ignore 2/3rds of the examples I posted to fixate on the one that maybe you can argue with. That's pretty much par for the course.</p><p></p><p>Look, it's pretty simple. Early D&D draws very heavily from the pulps. Yes? We can agree on that? Genre pulps of the early 20th century were misogynistic, racist, bigotted and deeply, deeply grounded in colonialist ideology. So, it's not really a shock when early D&D also shows signs of being misogynistic, racist, bigoted and grounded in colonialist ideology. I'm rather surprised that this is even contentious to be honest. I figured that this was pretty much common knowledge. </p><p></p><p>First half of the 20th century genre fiction was racist, bigoted and grounded in colonialist ideology should not be news to anyone. </p><p></p><p>It's shocking how far people will go to rewrite history in order to somehow protect this idealized fiction of history that people have constructed in their heads. Tolkien included instances of racist ideas in his writing - again, this is not news. This is not surprising. This is just accepted fact that has been accepted fact by anyone who isn't interested in rewriting history for decades. It's not shocking that a writer in England at that time would have some cultural baggage creep into his writing. It doesn't make him a bigot. It doesn't make anyone who likes Tolkien's writing a bigot. It just means that nothing is perfect. We see it, we acknowledge it and we move on.</p><p></p><p>Same goes for early D&D. Huh, shock, an American using early 20th century pulps as inspiration, writes stuff that, decades later, isn't really considered acceptable anymore. SHOCK. The HORROR. Oh my god. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> Good grief. This is like saying rain is wet. Again, it gets acknowledged and we move on.</p><p></p><p>What, exactly, are you defending here [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION]?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7623697, member: 22779"] Nice [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION]. Folks that disagree with you are now delusional. Yeah, that's going to go over well. Of course, it's convenient when you ignore 2/3rds of the examples I posted to fixate on the one that maybe you can argue with. That's pretty much par for the course. Look, it's pretty simple. Early D&D draws very heavily from the pulps. Yes? We can agree on that? Genre pulps of the early 20th century were misogynistic, racist, bigotted and deeply, deeply grounded in colonialist ideology. So, it's not really a shock when early D&D also shows signs of being misogynistic, racist, bigoted and grounded in colonialist ideology. I'm rather surprised that this is even contentious to be honest. I figured that this was pretty much common knowledge. First half of the 20th century genre fiction was racist, bigoted and grounded in colonialist ideology should not be news to anyone. It's shocking how far people will go to rewrite history in order to somehow protect this idealized fiction of history that people have constructed in their heads. Tolkien included instances of racist ideas in his writing - again, this is not news. This is not surprising. This is just accepted fact that has been accepted fact by anyone who isn't interested in rewriting history for decades. It's not shocking that a writer in England at that time would have some cultural baggage creep into his writing. It doesn't make him a bigot. It doesn't make anyone who likes Tolkien's writing a bigot. It just means that nothing is perfect. We see it, we acknowledge it and we move on. Same goes for early D&D. Huh, shock, an American using early 20th century pulps as inspiration, writes stuff that, decades later, isn't really considered acceptable anymore. SHOCK. The HORROR. Oh my god. :erm: Good grief. This is like saying rain is wet. Again, it gets acknowledged and we move on. What, exactly, are you defending here [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION]? [/QUOTE]
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