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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6132147" data-attributes="member: 1465">Yes this is what I mean. It's the spontanous casting coupled with the large (unlimited) spell list.Miracle (don't know the 4e version tho so I mostly refer to the 3e version) makes you a spontanous caster of every clerical spell. The price is that it always costs a 9th level slot. The limit is that you can only get it at 17th level.Your idea IIUC makes you a spontaneous caster of every clerical spell at 1st level. The price is nothing (increased casting time to full round is nothing). The limit is 1/day and DM's right to say no (or a % chance). I hope you also meant that you are limited to spells of a level you can cast, but it sounded more like you're not so you can ask for a 9th level spell at 1st level.The DM's right to stop this is the real limit. IMO it may work with a really good DM which keeps the occurrence rare enough, but still doesn't feel right at all. You're going to have one PC that can simply ask for anything, while the others watch.Extreme disparity with the other PCs, unlimited flexibility... not in my games.It would take a really really good DM to pull this off, so that it doesn't feel like as a catch-all method to just ask the DM to get you out of troubles when you don't have the perfect tool for the job. For me, this is the opposite of a good problem-solving game (which I still want an D&D adventure to be, but it doesn't have to be everybody's game... D&D can also be played as a combat-based game where problem-solving gets in the way).EDIT> I used the word "broken" because it's like a broken tool. A very very good carpenter (or whatever) may still work with a broken tool, but not the others. You don't sell a broken tool in a toolbox, obviously.</blockquote>

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