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Why are wizards always getting nerfed?
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<blockquote data-quote="Cyraneth" data-source="post: 1107552" data-attributes="member: 1199"><p>True, they were upped since 2nd Edition, but back then, they had to be truly careful as well... Anyway, let me go through your points:</p><p></p><p>1) Clerics were granted bonus spells for high Wisdom in 2nd Edition too. Wouldn't it only be fair if the classes with only the ability to cast spells to gain the same advantage?</p><p>2) Clerics had that back then as well.</p><p>3) Concentration is a brilliant idea. Now wizards have a chance at actually surviving a close encounter.</p><p>4) See 3.</p><p>5) Kinda depends on how easily available high-level magic is in your campaign.</p><p>6) Makes for a mobile wizard. Good thing.</p><p>7) Just as with Concentration, this increases a wizard's chances of survival from nil to something in a close encounter.</p><p>8) Neither do fighters have to be dumb as boards, or clerics nimble as rocks. That point really goes for all classes.</p><p>9) But they don't got monopoly on magic items. Clerics craft too, and their buffing abilities far exceed (and always have) a wizards.</p><p>10) Well, not anymore. Nerfed as well.</p><p>11) That was needed as well, but then again, if they can't affect an opponent ('cause of saves), they're wasted anyway.</p><p>12) That "through-the-roof" increase is a necessity now. With only simple opponents having poor saves, a wizard needs a high ability score to have any hopes of his spells affecting the monsters. While it doesn't matter much if a fighter's sword swing misses, it does if a wizard's spell fizzles or just doesn't affect the creature.</p><p></p><p>- Cyraneth</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cyraneth, post: 1107552, member: 1199"] True, they were upped since 2nd Edition, but back then, they had to be truly careful as well... Anyway, let me go through your points: 1) Clerics were granted bonus spells for high Wisdom in 2nd Edition too. Wouldn't it only be fair if the classes with only the ability to cast spells to gain the same advantage? 2) Clerics had that back then as well. 3) Concentration is a brilliant idea. Now wizards have a chance at actually surviving a close encounter. 4) See 3. 5) Kinda depends on how easily available high-level magic is in your campaign. 6) Makes for a mobile wizard. Good thing. 7) Just as with Concentration, this increases a wizard's chances of survival from nil to something in a close encounter. 8) Neither do fighters have to be dumb as boards, or clerics nimble as rocks. That point really goes for all classes. 9) But they don't got monopoly on magic items. Clerics craft too, and their buffing abilities far exceed (and always have) a wizards. 10) Well, not anymore. Nerfed as well. 11) That was needed as well, but then again, if they can't affect an opponent ('cause of saves), they're wasted anyway. 12) That "through-the-roof" increase is a necessity now. With only simple opponents having poor saves, a wizard needs a high ability score to have any hopes of his spells affecting the monsters. While it doesn't matter much if a fighter's sword swing misses, it does if a wizard's spell fizzles or just doesn't affect the creature. - Cyraneth [/QUOTE]
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