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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gfunk" data-source="post: 1110539" data-attributes="member: 1813">I believe that you are simply taking the best case scenario for a fighter and comparing it to the worst case scenario for the Wizard. For example, in your example you claim that a fighter gets 4 attacks which is achievable only by 16th level for a BAB of +16/+11/+6/+1. Let's compare this to a reasonable Wizard build shall we? Wizard (Specialty: Enchantment; Barred: Necromancy, Divination)Level 16Int 16 (base) + 3 (4 levels) + 6 (enhancement) = 25 (+7)Relevant Feats: Spell Focus (Enchantment), Greater Spell Focus (Enchantment), Heighten SpellRelevant DC:  Enchantment (DC 19 + spell level)  Spells per day: 4/6/6/6/5/5/4/4/2 (plus an additional bonus spell of Enchantment each level) Let's see what our Wizard can do with your hypothetical fighter, shall we? 1.  Heightened Dominate Person (DC: 27) -- Hey Fighter, you're my bitch now!2.  Maze (no Save) -- Hey Fighter, why don't you chill out in this maze while I buff up3.  Insanity (DC: 26) -- Hey Fighter, I hope you have a cleric with Heal b/c you are screwed otherwise4.  Contigency (on Wizard) -- If someone tries to swing a melee weapon at me, then Dimension Door me 15 feet backwards.5.  Forcecage (no Save) -- [use Barred version] Hey Fighter, you can sit there for 32 h while I pelt you with evocation spells at my leisure. I think it is quite clear that, AT THE VERY LEAST, the Wizard and Fighter are balanced.  Sure Wizards have been reduced in power with the advent of 3.5, but this was not necessarily a bad thing.</blockquote>

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