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Why Aren’t the strongest Outsiders Closer in CR?
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<blockquote data-quote="MechaTarrasque" data-source="post: 9604307" data-attributes="member: 6801226"><p>It seems like WotC is big on one group of outsiders being the heroic level (1-10) and another one being the big time for most of the alignment groups, with the exception of devils and demons, and honestly that is tradition (I seem to recall they tried to break demons up in 3x with tanarii on top, but maybe that is just my bad memory).</p><p></p><p>N: The Rilmani are top heavy, but we don't have a lower-level group.</p><p>LN: We haven't seen high-level modrons in a while, but the Inevitables and maybe sphinxes seem to fill that role</p><p>CN: Slaad are heroic-level, but no high-level yet.</p><p>NE: Yugoloths tend pretty heroic-level, used to have evil Empyreans in 5e, now not sure.</p><p>NG: Guardinals are heroic-level, animal lords are high level</p><p>CG: Celestial elves can use the NPC classes, so I guess they top out at CR12, used to have good Empyreans in 5e, now not sure.</p><p>LG: Archons are heroic level, and angels are high level.</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't mind some capricious cosmic types that could fit the high-level thing for CN and/or CG. Maybe something you need to impress to get help; that is how I tended to run the good Empyreans in 5e (I also had a bunch of them hanging out in Limbo). Basically, picture a celestial that would be happy to take a paladin's oath of glory.</p><p></p><p>Edit: sorry forgot the Demodands who seem to make up some space that angels do for NE, but still nothing quite pit fiend level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MechaTarrasque, post: 9604307, member: 6801226"] It seems like WotC is big on one group of outsiders being the heroic level (1-10) and another one being the big time for most of the alignment groups, with the exception of devils and demons, and honestly that is tradition (I seem to recall they tried to break demons up in 3x with tanarii on top, but maybe that is just my bad memory). N: The Rilmani are top heavy, but we don't have a lower-level group. LN: We haven't seen high-level modrons in a while, but the Inevitables and maybe sphinxes seem to fill that role CN: Slaad are heroic-level, but no high-level yet. NE: Yugoloths tend pretty heroic-level, used to have evil Empyreans in 5e, now not sure. NG: Guardinals are heroic-level, animal lords are high level CG: Celestial elves can use the NPC classes, so I guess they top out at CR12, used to have good Empyreans in 5e, now not sure. LG: Archons are heroic level, and angels are high level. I wouldn't mind some capricious cosmic types that could fit the high-level thing for CN and/or CG. Maybe something you need to impress to get help; that is how I tended to run the good Empyreans in 5e (I also had a bunch of them hanging out in Limbo). Basically, picture a celestial that would be happy to take a paladin's oath of glory. Edit: sorry forgot the Demodands who seem to make up some space that angels do for NE, but still nothing quite pit fiend level. [/QUOTE]
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