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<blockquote data-quote="Mr. Kaze" data-source="post: 1499000" data-attributes="member: 8848">Darn skippy, that's the definition of Lawful Good.&nbsp; Not &quot;Lawful until it becomes difficult to stay good,&quot; (that's Neutral Good) not &quot;good until lawful behavior gives us an excuse to be otherwise,&quot; (that's Lawful Neutral) and certainly not &quot;well at least more lawful good than that balor over there&quot; (which is just plain Not An Archfiend).&nbsp; Read the Player's Handbook's alignment section -- it fairly explicitly states that if you're not going above-and-beyond to achieve your alignment, you're really just neutral.People are saying that the Book of Exaulted Cheese says paladins can behave in all sorts of morally ambiguous ways.&nbsp; I don't buy it (and I didn't buy it, either).&nbsp; If the paladin's alignment requirement were &quot;Any Good,&quot; like the Blackguard is &quot;Any Evil,&quot; then we could have a lovely discussion about the paladin behaving any darn way the paladin wants to promote the cause of good and beat the stuffing out of all that's evil -- consider that Jesus Christ was not a Lawful sort of guy. (Frankly, I must admit that my favorite alignment is Chaotic Good -- it's just so much fun to role-play in a fundamentally corrupt power-grabbing setting when you've got a high charisma.)&nbsp; But &quot;Any Good&quot; is not the requirement on the base class, so that's not the requirement on the PCs using it.I'm all in favor of a &quot;Good Above All&quot; charismatic magical fighting PrC to foil the Blackguard &quot;Evil Below All&quot; PrC.&nbsp; It's just that I really don't see the both Lawful And Good Paladin base class as printed in the SRD as being that class.::Kaze</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mr. Kaze, post: 1499000, member: 8848"] Darn skippy, that's the definition of Lawful Good. Not "Lawful until it becomes difficult to stay good," (that's Neutral Good) not "good until lawful behavior gives us an excuse to be otherwise," (that's Lawful Neutral) and certainly not "well at least more lawful good than that balor over there" (which is just plain Not An Archfiend). Read the [i]Player's Handbook[/i]'s alignment section -- it fairly explicitly states that if you're not going above-and-beyond to achieve your alignment, you're really just neutral. People are saying that the [i]Book of Exaulted Cheese[/i] says paladins can behave in all sorts of morally ambiguous ways. I don't buy it (and I didn't buy it, either). If the paladin's alignment requirement were "Any Good," like the Blackguard is "Any Evil," then we could have a lovely discussion about the paladin behaving any darn way the paladin wants to promote the cause of good and beat the stuffing out of all that's evil -- consider that Jesus Christ was [i]not[/i] a Lawful sort of guy. (Frankly, I must admit that my favorite alignment is Chaotic Good -- it's just so much fun to role-play in a fundamentally corrupt power-grabbing setting when you've got a high charisma.) But "Any Good" is not the requirement on the base class, so that's not the requirement on the PCs using it. I'm all in favor of a "Good Above All" charismatic magical fighting PrC to foil the Blackguard "Evil Below All" PrC. It's just that I really don't see the both Lawful [b]And[/b] Good Paladin base class as printed in the SRD as being that class. ::Kaze [/QUOTE]

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