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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grizpapa" data-source="post: 1506894" data-attributes="member: 12583">The way I see it is that your problem isn't with "paladins" it's with people who play them like fools.I've seen many good pro-Paladin posts on this thread. I've also seen some very misguided/misinformed anti-Paladin posts in this thread. So let's talk about that.Problems with Paladins I've seen here:1) People play them like idiots, Lawful Stupid, Arrogant, Holier-than-thou, etc.2)DMs pigeon-hole the Paladin and because of whatever reason end up railroading them into losing their Palainhood.3) The Paladin player gets in the way of my PC looting, and stealing for everything insight, live, dead or inanimate.None of these are problems with the Paladin as a class. These are all social/people issues. Don't you understand that?Issue 1 above: Paladin's Player is the problem. This type of player really doesn't understand what paladins are all about and they should not be allowed to play one. Any paladin that acts like that wouldn't be a paladin for long.Issue 2 above: The DM is the problem. This is a definate DM issue, any DM that railroads a Paladin into a no win situation just to cause them to lose their powers should be shot. Issue 3 above: This is also a Player problem. If you want to play that kind of character you should make sure you're in a neutral or evil game. Unless your group is the kind that fuels itself with character friction and sees it as a valuable addition to the gaming experience.So there you have, none of those is a problem with the class itself it's a problem with the people involved.Of course these are all generalizations, issues differ between different types of Paladins.I'll post more later.</blockquote>

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