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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThoughtBubble" data-source="post: 1513478" data-attributes="member: 9723">Right, so digging through someone's grave isn't paladinish. I agree with that. However, I am extrememly wary of wholesale  destroying someone's character like that. Slap them on the wrist? Definately. Maybe take their smites away, and, as they do more good deeds, give them a level back each time (you now smite like a lv 1 paladin). Maybe take their spells away, or have their caster level or duration halved until they make good. Maybe, for the purpose of paladin abilities, reduce their cha by 2. All good slaps that get the point across, but aren't characer destroying moments.Because striping someone of their abilities is, if not a character destroying act, does cause major changes. It definately kills the mood. It might do so forever. Your player could decide you're out to get him. And then, how do you give him his abilities back without it feeling somehow cheap and stupid? (By the way, for purposes of the paladin, I hate the atonement spell. Atonement comes from within, not without) And it definately undermines his confidence. How does he know you aren't going to take his abilities away again? Though it's quite possible that this isn't the first time DragonLancer's player did somehting like this. In fact, it's possible that this is the repition of a long running set of thoughtless actions. If he's talked to the player before, and said things like "kicking the old woman was very unpaladinlike, I may have to take steps if you keep it up," then I think the act of stipping the paladin of his abilities was probablly warrented. And, I think it's likely that this is the case.But as a general rule of thumb, don't sideswipe your players quite that bad, unless, of course, they enjoy that sort of thing. But I find that it does a lot to stretch and often break trust between the DMs and players.</blockquote>

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