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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Darmanicus" data-source="post: 2331947" data-attributes="member: 14864">Ok so we're arguing over paladin/cleric but hey, we've had an arguement over paly losing powers over breaking a tomb. My point still stands that no one complains about the cleric because he's the healer.Unearthed Arcana has CG paladins and evil paladins which I think is fair enough. What god wouldn't want paladin enforcers of their own? So the LG arguement is somewhat moot if you're happy using those rules and therefore a 'paladins code' is going to vary.Read my previous point with regards to lying, if you stripped my character of it's status for lying for the greater good then I'd up and leave. Saying that you cannot do something ever for whatever reason is absolutely bl00dy ludicrous. There WILL be that one time when it's absolutely unavoidable and to penalize someone for that is ridiculous. I think the only exception to that rule is willingly commit the evil act and even that, I'm sure, a few people could possibly challenge.I'm sorry if something is so ingrained in your head just because of someones say so but as the Borg do, you should adapt. In all my years playing D&D I've never had a problem with paladins nor has any of my companions had a problem with me playing one. Sure I've peed some of them off because playing a good character regardless of the other axis means responsibilities but, hey, they've peed me off and they play good characters as well who should know better sometimes.You say any other LG character is COMPLETELY different to a paladin and I think that's maybe where it all starts to fall down. If any other LG character is sooo different to a paladin then they wouldn't be LG. A good character of any description is good because they do good deeds and therefore whilst not restricted say to the paladins code would more or less follow a fair bit of it just because they were good. It seems to me that people who object to paladins and play good characters shouldn't really have that alignment. Either that or too many people are playing characters that are evil/chaotic neutral/neutral etc. and therefore at the start should say to the character who wants to play the paladin to not do so and stop whinging about it when they let them.</blockquote>

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