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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aulirophile" data-source="post: 5186004" data-attributes="member: 86312">No, no it isn't. It is burst 3 (minimum burst 2, for a smart Wizard). Tell me you can reasonably guarantee you will hit no allies but every single enemy with a burst 2 (5x5). You can't.And Staff of Ruin+ anything else (Weapon Focus) makes Winged Horde pull ahead. I didn't even have to add any other feats/PPs/EDs or anything (results the same, just happens sooner). Yes my +50 is highly optimized because he he is basically a striker. And? That is basically equivalent to a Sorcs bonus damage. What are they? Oh, yeah, AE strikers. And we never said it was always better. We said "If damage is what you are going for, given the tools available to a Wizard to increase his static mods and enlarge his spells, an enemies only AE will hit more targets, and therefore have higher average damage, by early Paragon. Plus, Winged Horde actually has a controlling element, which wouldn't be a terrible thing to pick up while playing a controller." All of which is undeniably true. @Keterys: I know, but he wanted to know where the rule was for stuff like why Vanguard didn't work in the off-hand, so I showed him.</blockquote>