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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5186135" data-attributes="member: 43019">It's in the Adventurer's Vault, one of the first books - if the DM allows Winged Horde, I bet he allows Staff of Ruin.In many cases he's just giving up the opportunity to buy something else of a similar level, rather than 5 same level items. For example, in one game I'm playing in (that wouldn't allow Winged Horde, cause it's only the first few books allowed), one character almost made a +4 Staff of Ruin cause she'd been using a +3 magic staff (generic) for 7 levels without finding a good replacement. Thankfully the session before she was going to make it, she found a +5 Fiery Staff. Shame she has no fire powers, at all, but hey, +5 Fiery > +3 Magic, or +3 Ruin, or +4 Ruin <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Sometimes - though we are talking about a character who is presumably very high level (still not sure on that +50 damage... Genasi with +str as well, to go with admixture thunder, I assume, for another +8 or +9, hmmm), and dual implementing. So worst case, it's -1 attack while he wields the +6 in his off hand and the +5 ruin in his primary.I agree that it doesn't work out in practice, but I suspect there are probably better words you can use than "gullible" there. For starters, the DM and players shouldn't be antagonistic, and really there's no reason to insult other DMs who play differently from you at all. Especially when we're talking about a single item. I've been in a few games where we've gotten things like "The archmage will craft you a level 18 item of your choice." Just last Saturday the DM gave my wife a level 19 item of her choice from a dragon's hoard, cause it was her birthday (and I suspect he was feeling too lazy to pick an item)Now, how many games allow dragonshards? I bet that's a very, very different metric from staff of ruin.</blockquote>

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