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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5186410" data-attributes="member: 43019">Just for a slightly different spin. Not even remotely optimized, but assuming they both have dual implement spellcaster, weapon focus, and enlarge spell (which the Scorching Burst guy likely gets, even if he can't use it as well, nothing else for other powers):WH: (d6 - 2 + Enhx2 + Tier) x4SB: (d6 + Int + Enhx2 + Tier) x218 vs 21 +1 implement26 vs 25 +2 implement26 vs 27 level 8 ability score30 vs 29 level 11 (Weapon Focus +2)38 vs 33 +3 implement38 vs 35 level 14 ability score46 vs 39 +4 implement56 vs 52 level 21 ability score plus Epic class bonus plus second d6 plus Weapon Focus +364 vs 56 +5 implement64 vs 58 level 28 ability score72 vs 62 +6 implementFinal Check at 30:WH: (2d6 - 4 + 12 + 3) x 4 = 72SB: (2d6 + 9 + 12 + 3) x 2 = 62But it'd be easy to consider WH better starting at about level 4 or so, based on the above.</blockquote>