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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5188744" data-attributes="member: 82106">Sorry, you were responding to me? I never said any class WASN'T a  controller, I just pointed out that wizards have a level of control that  is only rarely at best matched by other controller classes. No, I wouldn't consider that hard control for a number of reasons, and many people wouldn't consider it strictly control at all (though I think they're rather extreme). The enemy has the choices here and its not clear its a catch 22. I can give my boss suggestions, that doesn't mean I control him. Neither is the invoker in this case controlling the enemy in the strict sense. In fact in this case wouldn't the power really be essentially equivalent to 'do a whole bunch of damage' since the enemy can CHOOSE if its advantageous to him to fall prone instead, the best case is they take the damage.As I said above, other classes don't totally LACK control, and druids surely come in second behind wizards overall, so yeah, its control, though again not as strong a form as Storm Pillar which can totally SEAL an opening with the enemy granted no choices about it.I call that a VERY weak form of control indeed. You can do it once per encounter (or a few times at higher levels, but its too expensive to spam). It doesn't stop the enemy from doing what they want to do in general and has a minimal impact on an opponent's choices. In fact I am labeling it control more for a lack of a better description than anything else.I think I defined it pretty well and not in terms of anything in particular except generally the way various powers work. I stated a principle. Given that I was talking about a concept, 'Controller', I think its perfectly valid to have an abstract analysis and its not worthless at all nor a travesty. It just such abstract analysis and the power of abstract thinking that makes human intellect powerful to start with.</blockquote>

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