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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 5362364" data-attributes="member: 6562">Conan is a Barbarian, and Jet Li is a Monk.Fighters in film include the Gimp.&nbsp;I did, and I do, which is why I typed the rest of the post you were commenting on.&nbsp;Okay, if you change the default rules so that 1st level characters are better than normal, then you can expect your 1st level Fighter to be better than the usual 1st level Fighter.I'm doing the comparison based on 25 point buy.&nbsp;Could you show me where I overstate the importance of Reflex?&nbsp;Spot/listen can give you an extra standard action in surprise fights. That's a lot of fights, so that's potentially a lot of extra standard actions. Moreover, it's a standard action at a time when some people are flat-footed, and therefore easier to hit.- - -Anyway, it looks like Wolf was a bad choice for comparison, because it ties with the Fighter in too many ways.Let's look at the Riding Dog instead.HP same as wolf.Saves same as wolf.Skills same as wolf, with an extra +8 jump and +3 swim.AC 16 (+2 over wolf).Attack +3 (without Weapon Focus, +4 with).Damage 1d6+3 (+2 over wolf).Trip attack as wolf.Speed 40 ft. (-10 ft. vs. wolf).This guy compares quite favorably to our standard 25 point buy 1st level Fighter, and you can own one for the low price of 150 gp.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 5362364, member: 6562"] Conan is a Barbarian, and Jet Li is a Monk. Fighters in film include the Gimp. I did, and I do, which is why I typed the rest of the post you were commenting on. Okay, if you change the default rules so that 1st level characters are better than normal, then you can expect your 1st level Fighter to be better than the usual 1st level Fighter. I'm doing the comparison based on 25 point buy. Could you show me where I overstate the importance of Reflex? Spot/listen can give you [b]an extra standard action[/b] in surprise fights. That's a lot of fights, so that's potentially a lot of extra standard actions. Moreover, it's a standard action at a time when some people are flat-footed, and therefore easier to hit. - - - Anyway, it looks like Wolf was a bad choice for comparison, because it ties with the Fighter in too many ways. Let's look at the [b]Riding Dog[/b] instead. HP same as wolf. Saves same as wolf. Skills same as wolf, with an extra +8 jump and +3 swim. AC 16 (+2 over wolf). Attack +3 ([u]without[/u] Weapon Focus, +4 with). Damage 1d6+3 (+2 over wolf). Trip attack as wolf. Speed 40 ft. (-10 ft. vs. wolf). This guy compares quite favorably to our standard 25 point buy 1st level Fighter, and you can own one for the low price of 150 gp. Cheers, -- N [/QUOTE]

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