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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Borthos" data-source="post: 5363888" data-attributes="member: 93344">You do have a point there, but I was trying to show the usefulness of the fighter.  I would not be able to make this character how I want it to be without the fighter. Now if I wanted to I could take out the Swordsage levels and still have a formidable Human fighter who, (I know you guys have been using the spread stats, right? well this guy was with the 4d6 drop lowest) with 18 dex, at level 1 has:AC 18, +3/+1 with a crit range of 18-20, and 12 hpFeats: TWF, EWP (elven Thinblade), Weapon FinesseSTATS: Str 16 Dex 18, Con 14, int 16, Wis 12, Cha 10Equipment: 2 elven thinblades, chain shirtthese are the same stats, taking out ToB stuff, in order that I have planned my character at level 1. I kept the Ability Scores the same because i value tumble checks to get around AoO's. Yes, before anyone says anything, the fighter doesn't get tumble, but the swordsage does, I simply took it out for this exampleJust out of curiosity, why is he carrying a holy symbol on him?EDIT: I forgot you can't use WF with a scimitar so I changed it to thinblades, but it only changes the ac by 1, so it's still viable.</blockquote>