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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 5433511" data-attributes="member: 6562">Diamond Soul is neat if you constantly face low-level spellcasters. It's nearly useless if you usually face spellcasters higher level than you. Guess which kind D&amp;D favors?Your saves &amp; other class abilities protect you against most equal-level or lower spellcasters, and once you risk seeing Otto's Irresistible Dance from a caster lower level than yourself, you should be getting a Mind Blank every day from your local Cleric / Sorcerer / Wizard.&nbsp;If your Monk feels effective to you at level 12, then it's entirely possible you're playing in a group where the DM and other players don't really understand the power available to full spellcasters. That's actually a pretty sweet situation for a group to be in, until one person figures out the secret.If you're in that kind of group, optimization is kinda irrelevant. Go ahead and take levels 13-20 of Monk, or take levels in Fighter, or take levels in Cleric or Druid.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 5433511, member: 6562"] Diamond Soul is neat if you constantly face low-level spellcasters. It's nearly useless if you usually face spellcasters higher level than you. Guess which kind D&D favors? Your saves & other class abilities protect you against most equal-level or lower spellcasters, and once you risk seeing Otto's Irresistible Dance from a caster lower level than yourself, you should be getting a Mind Blank every day from your local Cleric / Sorcerer / Wizard. If your Monk feels effective to you at level 12, then it's entirely possible you're playing in a group where the DM and other players don't really understand the power available to full spellcasters. That's actually a pretty sweet situation for a group to be in, until one person figures out the secret. If you're in that kind of group, optimization is kinda irrelevant. Go ahead and take levels 13-20 of Monk, or take levels in Fighter, or take levels in Cleric or Druid. Cheers, -- N [/QUOTE]

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