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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3384298" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm found of having old men and women in my campaign who are say 9th level commoners with STR's and CON's in the 6 or lower range.  This results in a high level character with non-skill stats roughly in line with a 1st level character. I think the problem you describe goes away if you are willing to allow that 10 is not the lowest possible score you can have in an ability.  If someone is supposed to be a non-combatant and frail, then a frail attribute build will almost completely overcome the weak upgrades of the commoner class. I pretty much agree with that.On a slightly different subject, someone said that they had ranks in commoner.  I tend to not believe them.  My personal feeling is that anyone with at least a High School education is at 1st level expert, and most people in our comparitively well educated society are probably at least expert 2's and 3's.  Now, most of us probably seriously out of shape, a concept that D&D doesn't really have in the RAW, but twelve to eighteen weeks of training would make most of us pretty scary if we aren't already.</blockquote>