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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 6973013" data-attributes="member: 59082">Haha, sounds familiar. Pemerton, you are missing what I am saying about a spectrum. I am not saying &quot;story and fun vs. rules as central.&quot; I am talking about the degree to which rules matter to a person in determining their enjoyment. I used the phrase &quot;story and fun&quot; with the very important &quot;just there for&quot; at the beginning; taking that part away leads to a very different meaning, which you went and ran with in a completely different direction.It is a subtle, but crucial, point that your quote above misses. You create a different spectrum which certainly has its own validity and has been discussed elsewhere, but is not what I was talking about. In other words, I am *not* talking about DM authority or player autonomy. I am talking about the degree to which the rules system matters to the enjoyment of the individuals involved. So again, the spectrum I'm talking about is the degree to which the rules matter to an individual's enjoyment of the game. This was in reference to the OP. I'm not really sure there is anything to disagree with or particularly controversial about that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 6973013, member: 59082"] Haha, sounds familiar. Pemerton, you are missing what I am saying about a spectrum. I am not saying "story and fun vs. rules as central." I am talking about the degree to which rules matter to a person in determining their enjoyment. I used the phrase "story and fun" with the very important "just there for" at the beginning; taking that part away leads to a very different meaning, which you went and ran with in a completely different direction. It is a subtle, but crucial, point that your quote above misses. You create a different spectrum which certainly has its own validity and has been discussed elsewhere, but is not what I was talking about. In other words, I am *not* talking about DM authority or player autonomy. I am talking about the degree to which the rules system matters to the enjoyment of the individuals involved. So again, the spectrum I'm talking about is the degree to which the rules matter to an individual's enjoyment of the game. This was in reference to the OP. I'm not really sure there is anything to disagree with or particularly controversial about that. [/QUOTE]

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