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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 2074190" data-attributes="member: 1165">Use dread wraiths! Also, use action points. Just give a creature Heroic Spirit; that gives them 3 action points per level. With dragons having lots of Hit Dice per CR... you see where this is going.Not only do ogre mages suck (eg it's not worth it's CR) but so do half-dragons.Are you using non-associated class level rules? Anyway, a Rgr5/Cler 11 is a weak combo, and if you're playing 3.0 the ranger is never worth it.That does't work. Mind you, enlarge person is such a lame spell that I give you kudos for ignoring such stupid rules. Still, if only that dragon could cast righteous might...Next time ready an action? I don't like giving dragons minions, but if your players do things like this, I suggest have the dragon breathe on them while some other creature readies an action to hurt the druid... or cleric ... or wizard, etc. Preferably that other creature is a kobold sorcerer, as kobolds have a close connection to dragons, and sorcerers of non-LA race make scary NPCs.Dragons should, of course, cast bear's endurance as it gives them lots of hp (high HD compared to caster level and CR), and if you can &quot;afford&quot; a cloak of resistance for her, go ahead. Heck, just convert the average treasure value of her lair into &quot;stuff&quot; for her. PCs don't have lairs full of treasure, they wear their lairs. Dragons often have gems embedded in their scales, so I guess it could be for a reason.A lot of parties, especially higher level or munchkin, are quite capable of going 5 or 6 points of CR above their level. Did they use point buy? What number? What non-core rules are you allowing? Do they have too much gear for their level?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 2074190, member: 1165"] Use dread wraiths! Also, use action points. Just give a creature Heroic Spirit; that gives them 3 action points per level. With dragons having lots of Hit Dice per CR... you see where this is going. Not only do ogre mages [i]suck[/i] (eg it's not worth it's CR) but so do half-dragons. Are you using non-associated class level rules? Anyway, a Rgr5/Cler 11 is a weak combo, and if you're playing 3.0 the ranger is never worth it. That does't work. Mind you, enlarge [i]person[/i] is such a lame spell that I give you kudos for ignoring such stupid rules. Still, if only that dragon could cast [i]righteous might[/i]... Next time ready an action? I don't like giving dragons minions, but if your players do things like this, I suggest have the dragon breathe on them while some other creature readies an action to hurt the druid... or cleric ... or wizard, etc. Preferably that other creature is a kobold sorcerer, as kobolds have a close connection to dragons, and sorcerers of non-LA race make scary NPCs. Dragons should, of course, cast [i]bear's endurance[/i] as it gives them lots of hp (high HD compared to caster level and CR), and if you can "afford" a [i]cloak of resistance[/i] for her, go ahead. Heck, just convert the average treasure value of her lair into "stuff" for her. PCs don't have lairs full of treasure, they [i]wear[/i] their lairs. Dragons often have gems embedded in their scales, so I guess it could be for a reason. A lot of parties, especially higher level or munchkin, are quite capable of going 5 or 6 points of CR above their level. Did they use point buy? What number? What non-core rules are you allowing? Do they have too much gear for their level? [/QUOTE]

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