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<blockquote data-quote="evildmguy" data-source="post: 651054" data-attributes="member: 6092">Good points!Hollywood:&nbsp; In general, I think we would agree.&nbsp; What I didn't say, and you bring up a good point, is that casual gamers are also pulled in by the DM doing work for them.&nbsp; This is my wife, which I accept to have her play.&nbsp; She asks what she must do to do x actions and I explain the game rules.&nbsp; It will probably be years (because we only play every month and sometimes only every other month) before she would understand the game mechanics on her own.&nbsp; You are correct that even d20 DND has some complexity when it comes to combat.&nbsp; I agree.&nbsp; And thanks!&nbsp; I might use this as an argument to play Alternity with my wife, as it is no more complex than what you mentioned for d20.&nbsp; Thanks again!As for character, I blatantly cheated by saying &quot;compared to previous editions&quot;.&nbsp; I actually have few complaints about DND and character concepts in 3E.&nbsp; I think it is pretty good as it is.&nbsp; However, I do agree in d20 Modern and d20 SW that it is too bad that with each level attacks and saves go up.&nbsp; As someone else said when d20 SW first came out, why does the Noble gain ability to take out squads of stormtroopers?&nbsp; Again, this was due to improved attack at each level.&nbsp; Psion - not so sure I agree with hit points emulating real life only in as much as there is no penalty associated with hit point loss.&nbsp; I understand that it is hard to kill someone with one shot but it seems to me that being shot would hurt <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> and it might impose a penalty!&nbsp; I understand that they do this because it would get complex, then, to track a penalty vs health level.&nbsp; I agree with your assesment of hit points and the VP/WP system.&nbsp; Thanks!edg</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evildmguy, post: 651054, member: 6092"] [b]Good points![/b] Hollywood: In general, I think we would agree. What I didn't say, and you bring up a good point, is that casual gamers are also pulled in by the DM doing work for them. This is my wife, which I accept to have her play. She asks what she must do to do x actions and I explain the game rules. It will probably be years (because we only play every month and sometimes only every other month) before she would understand the game mechanics on her own. You are correct that even d20 DND has some complexity when it comes to combat. I agree. And thanks! I might use this as an argument to play Alternity with my wife, as it is no more complex than what you mentioned for d20. Thanks again! As for character, I blatantly cheated by saying "compared to previous editions". I actually have few complaints about DND and character concepts in 3E. I think it is pretty good as it is. However, I do agree in d20 Modern and d20 SW that it is too bad that with each level attacks and saves go up. As someone else said when d20 SW first came out, why does the Noble gain ability to take out squads of stormtroopers? Again, this was due to improved attack at each level. Psion - not so sure I agree with hit points emulating real life only in as much as there is no penalty associated with hit point loss. I understand that it is hard to kill someone with one shot but it seems to me that being shot would hurt :) and it might impose a penalty! I understand that they do this because it would get complex, then, to track a penalty vs health level. I agree with your assesment of hit points and the VP/WP system. Thanks! edg [/QUOTE]

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