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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 5334885" data-attributes="member: 18701">Am I understanding the OPs message correctly? Most gamers are rules-light roleplayers? If so, where the hell are they and how can I get them in my group?Same here. I've gamed with probably close to 2 dozen or more people since I've played D&D. Not one single person ever said they prefer rules-light games and mostly roleplaying. Even people that say they like 4e because it supposedly has less rules still usually border on the rules-lawyer side of things. I don't consider a person to be a rules-light gamer if they still bother to always look up a rule to make sure the DM is doing it right. I tried to be a rules-light DM when I started playing 3e. All I kept dealing with were players being rules-lawyers and questioning my every move. So I don't DM like that anymore because even my current players will look up rules rather than just let me do my thing.And as far as roleplaying, I don't want to come off as being elitist or anything, but most of the gamers I've played with did not really roleplay very much even though they claim to be good roleplayers. I've even realized that some people that claim to be roleplayers think that they are roleplayers just because they respond to an NPCs dialogue (I guess they are roleplaying, but I'm looking for more depth than that). You won't distinguish one of their PCs personalities from another, and you won't learn anything about the PC other than what build they have & what quests they've done. Some hack-n-slashers say they are roleplayers and then say, "Well my (powergamed) cleric is the silent type that attacks first and asks questions later cause he's a hothead." I've even seen "roleplayers" who come up with an interesting character concept during PC creation, and then all they seem to do during the game is rush everyone through the roleplaying moments by interrupting and saying, "blah blah blah, yeah yeah yeah" so they can get on to the next combat. 3e and 4e seems to be mostly built around the idea of combat & lots of rules. People want rules for accomplishing any little task as if it is game breaking to just allow the PC to swing on a chandelier and do a back flip as he lands on his feat. No, we gotta beat a DC check (or checks) just so we can hopefully look cool. And for roleplaying, the adventures barely even have NPC dialogue written in the boxed text anymore. I miss that dialogue, it helped give me an idea for how to roleplay the NPC. I think the OPs opinion is 90% in his head or he isn't really interacting with very many gamers to know what the majority wants. I don't even see that on the forums even though he claims the first 2 pages are nothing but that. Half of the forums are dedicated to rules, combat, and character build discussions.</blockquote>

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