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Message: <blockquote data-quote="demetri0us" data-source="post: 5336364" data-attributes="member: 70085">Well, that's a good point.I'll definitely concede that skill at something must germinate from a desire and then (as jonesy points out) grow from motivation. This clearly makes good sense. I completely agree.But, and this is likely to offend and I'm sorry about that, I really do think there are gamers out there that think they play D&D because they say they like to role play, but then, they don't actually role play. I've seen this happen way more often then not. Really I have, at all levels. I saw this at Gencon this year. I just don't see real role playing happen all that often, well not in the large game dominating doses I see talked about online. However, I have been involved in games that as soon as I quote a rule (or more to the point, take advantage of a rule) I get called out as not playing in the spirit of the game......I think this type of play is smack dab in the middle of the spirit of the game, certainly as much as roleplaying is.This is precisely why the OP's post struck a chord in me.</blockquote>