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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 5337631" data-attributes="member: 58197">I draw a distinction between players who just aren't into optimization and clever tactics, and players who think optimization and clever tactics are the Mark of Bad Roleplayers and actively avoid them. The former are often very nice people and fun to have at the table, and if I have to bail them out of a jam more often than I would with a more heavily optimized PC, so be it. The latter, well... I prefer to ease them out as soon as possible. Failing that, I let them reap the consequences of their actions.As far as spotlight hogging by optimizers, I find it's usually pretty easy to deal with. You give some powerful magic items to the non-optimizers so they aren't completely overshadowed. Be sure not to close the gap completely, just enough that nobody feels useless. Then take the optimizer aside and explain what you're doing and why, in a way that flatters the optimizer's grasp of the rules--"You're so good that these guys need special help to keep up with you. But don't tell them that."Spotlight hogging by drama-bunnies is a lot more difficult.</blockquote>