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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7265776" data-attributes="member: 15700">Aragorn certainly inspired the creation of the ranger class, but that's completely different from saying that Tolkien &quot;entirely created the ranger&quot;, which is what I disagreed with.&nbsp; Actual people with the job title &quot;ranger&quot;, who worked alone patrolling the wilds, existed as early as the 1600s.Am I reading this right?&nbsp; Are you saying that if D&amp;D was also inspired by S&amp;S, then it would be impossible to come up with a list of things also inspired by Tolkien?&nbsp; That...doesn't make any sense.&nbsp; Sources of inspiration aren't mutually exclusive.&nbsp; I can say that the way D&amp;D portrays elves, halflings, and dwarves are clearly from Tolkien, and say the way magic works is clearly Vance, and all these monsters are from various folklore and mythology, etc, etc.This is not true.&nbsp; As has already been pointed out earlier in the thread and the article linked to, Gygax downplayed Tolkien in 1974, before he felt any pressure.Go read some of the responses again.&nbsp; I think you're either skipping many of them, or something.&nbsp; You obviously missed the one about Gygax's opinion on Tolkien in 1974 by your above statement, and with this one, you must have missed all of those comments from people who are saying Tolkien created all these things.&nbsp; What do you think &quot;entirely made this himself&quot; is supposed to mean?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7265776, member: 15700"] Aragorn certainly inspired the creation of the ranger class, but that's completely different from saying that Tolkien "entirely created the ranger", which is what I disagreed with. Actual people with the job title "ranger", who worked alone patrolling the wilds, existed as early as the 1600s. Am I reading this right? Are you saying that if D&D was also inspired by S&S, then it would be impossible to come up with a list of things also inspired by Tolkien? That...doesn't make any sense. Sources of inspiration aren't mutually exclusive. I can say that the way D&D portrays elves, halflings, and dwarves are clearly from Tolkien, and say the way magic works is clearly Vance, and all these monsters are from various folklore and mythology, etc, etc. This is not true. As has already been pointed out earlier in the thread and the article linked to, Gygax downplayed Tolkien in 1974, before he felt any pressure. Go read some of the responses again. I think you're either skipping many of them, or something. You obviously missed the one about Gygax's opinion on Tolkien in 1974 by your above statement, and with this one, you must have missed all of those comments from people who [I]are [/I]saying Tolkien created all these things. What do you think "entirely made this himself" is supposed to mean? [/QUOTE]

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