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<blockquote data-quote="Salamandyr" data-source="post: 7265792" data-attributes="member: 40233">D&amp;D would still have dwarves and elves, though dwarves might be written dwarfs.&nbsp; While D&amp;D dwarves look a lot like Tolkien's dwarves, that's because both draw from the same well...Northern European mythology but D&amp;D elves are nothing like the Tolkien's elves.&nbsp; For one thing...Tolkien's elves are about 2 feet taller.&nbsp; And both are found in Anderson's work, not to mention Dunsany.&nbsp; D&amp;D elves bear some resemblance to the elves of The Hobbit, but that is more because Tolkien was working more closely to the source material (Northern European folklore) than he did in Lord of the Rings.&nbsp; Elves show up in 3H&amp;3L too; and, another tie in.&nbsp; In there, they're soulless, as they are in old D&amp;D (elves had spirits back in the day).Not sure about Orc though; while yes, the name predates Tolkien (other than Hobbits, pretty much everything Tolkien wrote was drawn from folkloric sources) and Tolkien would obviously know Beowulf way better than me, I don't think it'd be the popular term of art it is these days; Gygax probably knew it, but I doubt it would have overshadowed &quot;goblins&quot; as the pre-eminent humanoid monster if not for Tolkien.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Salamandyr, post: 7265792, member: 40233"] D&D would still have dwarves and elves, though dwarves might be written dwarfs. While D&D dwarves look a lot like Tolkien's dwarves, that's because both draw from the same well...Northern European mythology but D&D elves are nothing like the Tolkien's elves. For one thing...Tolkien's elves are about 2 feet taller. And both are found in Anderson's work, not to mention Dunsany. D&D elves bear some resemblance to the elves of [I]The Hobbit[/I], but that is more because Tolkien was working more closely to the source material (Northern European folklore) than he did in [I]Lord of the Rings[/I]. Elves show up in [I]3H&3L[/I] too; and, another tie in. In there, they're soulless, as they are in old D&D (elves had [I]spirits[/I] back in the day). Not sure about Orc though; while yes, the name predates Tolkien (other than Hobbits, pretty much everything Tolkien wrote was drawn from folkloric sources) and Tolkien would obviously know Beowulf [I]way[/I] better than me, I don't think it'd be the popular term of art it is these days; Gygax probably knew it, but I doubt it would have overshadowed "goblins" as the pre-eminent humanoid monster if not for Tolkien. [/QUOTE]

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