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<blockquote data-quote="Parmandur" data-source="post: 7273556" data-attributes="member: 6780330"><p>But if the fantasy art being done all involves shirtless buff men wearing loincloths with huge swords and women clinging to their legs... questions will be asked, and legitimately so.</p><p></p><p>And no, the results of a Tolkien-influence free RPG is not "de facto" or "certain" in any meaning of those words: counterfactuals are unknowable, and cannot be proven either way. I don't necessarily think RPG's wouldn't exist without Tolkien's influence, and certainly wouldn't argue for such a silly idea...but I can't necessarily know that the world wouldn't have been destroyed in WWIII without Tolkien's influence on the world before RPGs were invented, either (no proof either way). A world that we cannot access is unknowable on the face of it, and speculation is meaningless. All we have is this world, in which Tolkien played a major part in the birth of D&D, and the RPG hobby.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Parmandur, post: 7273556, member: 6780330"] But if the fantasy art being done all involves shirtless buff men wearing loincloths with huge swords and women clinging to their legs... questions will be asked, and legitimately so. And no, the results of a Tolkien-influence free RPG is not "de facto" or "certain" in any meaning of those words: counterfactuals are unknowable, and cannot be proven either way. I don't necessarily think RPG's wouldn't exist without Tolkien's influence, and certainly wouldn't argue for such a silly idea...but I can't necessarily know that the world wouldn't have been destroyed in WWIII without Tolkien's influence on the world before RPGs were invented, either (no proof either way). A world that we cannot access is unknowable on the face of it, and speculation is meaningless. All we have is this world, in which Tolkien played a major part in the birth of D&D, and the RPG hobby. [/QUOTE]
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