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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7274503" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>If you can only come up with one example from several authors and dozens of stories that do fit that pace, then it doesn’t exactly support your position. The bottom line is that the vast majority of stories and adventures from those heroes would fit perfect in a D&D adventure of the day, both in pace and and in duration. Tolkien has none of those. Tolkien was all about a massive epic slow paced campaign that took years</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You do realize that Tolkien’s characters didn’t fight dragons either, right? Have you even read the stories you’re citing? The sun took out the trolls, they didn’t fight them well. None of the dwarves fought Smaug. It was an NPC with one lucky arrow. The whole freaking point of the Hobbit was to make the least assuming, least heroic, least powerful character the actual hero. Not only is that not larger than life, but Tolkien intentionally tried to avoid larger than life. Compared to the creatures Conan, Fafhrd, The Grey Mouser, and Elric were fighting on a regular basis, Tolkien characters were very much not the larger than life epic heroes. In fact, the most powerful creatures defeated in Tolkien’s works were by one off NPCs and not by the actual party members for the most part. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can’t use Jackson’s additions in 2000 as a way to justify Tolkien’s characters as larger than life in 1974 when D&D was created. I can put out fanfic where Frodo shoots lasers out of his butt and blows up mountains, but that doesn’t mean Frodo was a larger than life super hero if those things didn’t actually exist in the book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7274503, member: 15700"] If you can only come up with one example from several authors and dozens of stories that do fit that pace, then it doesn’t exactly support your position. The bottom line is that the vast majority of stories and adventures from those heroes would fit perfect in a D&D adventure of the day, both in pace and and in duration. Tolkien has none of those. Tolkien was all about a massive epic slow paced campaign that took years You do realize that Tolkien’s characters didn’t fight dragons either, right? Have you even read the stories you’re citing? The sun took out the trolls, they didn’t fight them well. None of the dwarves fought Smaug. It was an NPC with one lucky arrow. The whole freaking point of the Hobbit was to make the least assuming, least heroic, least powerful character the actual hero. Not only is that not larger than life, but Tolkien intentionally tried to avoid larger than life. Compared to the creatures Conan, Fafhrd, The Grey Mouser, and Elric were fighting on a regular basis, Tolkien characters were very much not the larger than life epic heroes. In fact, the most powerful creatures defeated in Tolkien’s works were by one off NPCs and not by the actual party members for the most part. You can’t use Jackson’s additions in 2000 as a way to justify Tolkien’s characters as larger than life in 1974 when D&D was created. I can put out fanfic where Frodo shoots lasers out of his butt and blows up mountains, but that doesn’t mean Frodo was a larger than life super hero if those things didn’t actually exist in the book. [/QUOTE]
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