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<blockquote data-quote="William Scott Brewer" data-source="post: 7649296" data-attributes="member: 6703622"><p>I Like the ideas you posted and I agree to the idea that the game has become an endless chase to the top for power. As me and my wife call it (3rd-4th) is the gradual move to becoming a pen and paper MMO culminating with 4th edition as being a MMO rip off. Its not D&D and I do believe the "spirit" of the game was lost on the new owners. They see $ and nothing else, so to heck with the games actual playability and to heck with those of us who played in the "old" days when the game was more about ROLEplaying and not ROLLplaying. I prefer 2nd-advanced to the newer games, however I do play them (except for 4th which I will not play, after reading the rules). I dont want "Balance" I want fighters to be fighters and I want thieves to be thieves I dont want fighters to "cast" I dont want DPS and Tanks etc... I want D&D, when I want to play a MMO I play an MMO. I dont care if Thieves Backstab means they have to play smart and learn to avoid the creature to hide and comeback to hit them in the Back.. I dont like flanking and sneak attack which added a DPS system. I also dont like the new rules for Multiclassing, its broken and one of the reasons the game failed. Look at the boards and try to find a straight class build. Guess what you will find? nothing why? because there is no reason to be a straight class, a multiclass character is millions of times better and can break the system faster than a GM can sit down (see PUNPUN)... with no restrictions that matter why would a person play a straight fighter to 20th level if he could play a Barb/fighter/scout/ranger/rogue with all the features and able to single handly kill anything the GM can throw at him... oh and lets add gestalt and just declare victory before playing. I want the old rules.. I want the game to be played for fun and not to see who can be the most blah blah blah I want a group who can work around their differences and there weaknesses... PS... dont even start me on alignments......</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="William Scott Brewer, post: 7649296, member: 6703622"] I Like the ideas you posted and I agree to the idea that the game has become an endless chase to the top for power. As me and my wife call it (3rd-4th) is the gradual move to becoming a pen and paper MMO culminating with 4th edition as being a MMO rip off. Its not D&D and I do believe the "spirit" of the game was lost on the new owners. They see $ and nothing else, so to heck with the games actual playability and to heck with those of us who played in the "old" days when the game was more about ROLEplaying and not ROLLplaying. I prefer 2nd-advanced to the newer games, however I do play them (except for 4th which I will not play, after reading the rules). I dont want "Balance" I want fighters to be fighters and I want thieves to be thieves I dont want fighters to "cast" I dont want DPS and Tanks etc... I want D&D, when I want to play a MMO I play an MMO. I dont care if Thieves Backstab means they have to play smart and learn to avoid the creature to hide and comeback to hit them in the Back.. I dont like flanking and sneak attack which added a DPS system. I also dont like the new rules for Multiclassing, its broken and one of the reasons the game failed. Look at the boards and try to find a straight class build. Guess what you will find? nothing why? because there is no reason to be a straight class, a multiclass character is millions of times better and can break the system faster than a GM can sit down (see PUNPUN)... with no restrictions that matter why would a person play a straight fighter to 20th level if he could play a Barb/fighter/scout/ranger/rogue with all the features and able to single handly kill anything the GM can throw at him... oh and lets add gestalt and just declare victory before playing. I want the old rules.. I want the game to be played for fun and not to see who can be the most blah blah blah I want a group who can work around their differences and there weaknesses... PS... dont even start me on alignments...... [/QUOTE]
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