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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7559012" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Thanks, I don't think you were intentionally doing that.  I also took your words to the furthest extremes they could have been taken to and I apologize for doing that.  In probably the most basic concept of an RPG you tend to have 3 designations.  The warrior, the skilled, and the magic user.  Then you have hybrid designations of these etc.  In a game where all warriors are mechanically identical I think most players are happy just roleplaying differences between various warriors.  The same with skilled and magic users.  However, in a game where multiple classes fall under the warrior designation and each have their own special abilities that give them a certain playstyle distinct from other classes that fall under that same warrior designation, I think it's only natural to desire and expect other concepts to have mechanical support for their distinct playstyles as well.  Then I'm not sure what we are discussing anymore.  If you don't think options of any kind can be added to the base game then at that point everything is just an optional preference for whether it gets included or not.  I don't follow this part at allThe simple answer for 5e in it's current state is by introducing more classes and ignoring mutlclassing altogether.  You don't need millions of classes to cater to a wide variety of specific playstyles, but you do need maybe double or triple the number of classes that are currently in the game and some additional overlap on subclass concepts between classes.If designing a game from scratch you would probably be better off sticking to the primary warrior/skilled/mage designations and their half and half hybrids and developing a single class to represent each of those things.  Give each class choices like weapon proficiencies, skill proficiencies etc.  Then have character differences between members of a certain class be roleplayed.  Once you get into mechanically differentiating some concepts and playstyles beyond the core designations and their hybrids then you really place yourself in a position where you will need to mechanically differentiate most options.</blockquote>

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