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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8336209" data-attributes="member: 6796468">This, right here, is wild.All of our choices are illusory. And all of them have consequences. And it's up to the DM to determine what the consequences are. This is not a shell game, where you're trying to find the Ace of Spades.They're only two times when &quot;railroading&quot; or the illusion of choice are actually a problem. The first is when the DM is actively playing against the characters. When regardless of what you choose the story progresses on a specific line. I'm not talking about a quantum ogre, here, I'm talking about a game where regardless of what you do the evil king always kills the princess because the DM decided that the princess had to die. If you save the princess she has a heart attack and dies.The other time that railroading becomes a problem is when the player is going against the DM. When the player decides that no matter what plot hook is waved in front of them or what the agreed upon story was to begin with they are going to go off and do their own BS. When railroading happens in those situations The problem is that the DM is trying to keep a problem player in the game instead of inviting them to leave.The rest of it? Doesn't matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8336209, member: 6796468"] This, right here, is wild. All of our choices are illusory. And all of them have consequences. And it's up to the DM to determine what the consequences are. This is not a shell game, where you're trying to find the Ace of Spades. They're only two times when "railroading" or the illusion of choice are actually a problem. The first is when the DM is actively playing against the characters. When regardless of what you choose the story progresses on a specific line. I'm not talking about a quantum ogre, here, I'm talking about a game where regardless of what you do the evil king always kills the princess because the DM decided that the princess had to die. If you save the princess she has a heart attack and dies. The other time that railroading becomes a problem is when the player is going against the DM. When the player decides that no matter what plot hook is waved in front of them or what the agreed upon story was to begin with they are going to go off and do their own BS. When railroading happens in those situations The problem is that the DM is trying to keep a problem player in the game instead of inviting them to leave. The rest of it? Doesn't matter. [/QUOTE]

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