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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8336340" data-attributes="member: 6796468">If you're interested in understanding then you have to set aside your own personal biases and try to understand. You have to try and see from their perspective. That's how you come to -understand-.Not tell people &quot;You're wrong and here's why&quot;. Because that's not trying to understand. That's just trying to have a debate. And you certainly don't throw out random strawman arguments or try and characterize everyone else's positions as infantile in your debate disguised as an attempt to understand.This is not a good faith attempt.And while you may not have Defined it until page 8 you had decided that it was Wrong/Bad/Ignorant to do in the OP. And there's literally no position, no argument, no direction that anyone can give you that you're going to stop and understand and go &quot;Oh. I see. Well that makes sense, even if I disagree with you.&quot; 'Cause there've been some GREAT and well reasoned attempts. See?You're not showing an attempt to understand. You're showing an attempt to declare everyone else wrong. And all debate is just a circular series of people trying to get you to understand even the most BASIC aspect of -their- perspective... and you refusing it.<img src="https://www.aquariumofpacific.org/images/made_new/images-uploads-chase_side_profile_600_q85.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />I'm done. And I highly recommend everyone else in this thread disengage, too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8336340, member: 6796468"] If you're interested in understanding then you have to set aside your own personal biases and try to understand. You have to try and see from their perspective. That's how you come to -understand-. Not tell people "You're wrong and here's why". Because that's not trying to understand. That's just trying to have a debate. And you certainly don't throw out random strawman arguments or try and characterize everyone else's positions as infantile in your debate disguised as an attempt to understand. This is not a good faith attempt. And while you may not have Defined it until page 8 you had decided that it was Wrong/Bad/Ignorant to do in the OP. And there's literally no position, no argument, no direction that anyone can give you that you're going to stop and understand and go "Oh. I see. Well that makes sense, even if I disagree with you." 'Cause there've been some GREAT and well reasoned attempts. See? You're not showing an attempt to understand. You're showing an attempt to declare everyone else wrong. And all debate is just a circular series of people trying to get you to understand even the most BASIC aspect of -their- perspective... and you refusing it. [IMG]https://www.aquariumofpacific.org/images/made_new/images-uploads-chase_side_profile_600_q85.jpg[/IMG] I'm done. And I highly recommend everyone else in this thread disengage, too. [/QUOTE]

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