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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8336760" data-attributes="member: 6701124">This feels like something I wouldn't do&nbsp; because&nbsp; the players were promised a choice about something in particular (even if it was essentially random) and it didn't happen.&nbsp;&nbsp; If they didn't suspect the McGuffin was behind one of them, then at first it doesn't seem bad to me to make it the last .. but then later when the emergent story includes how unlucky they were picking the other two doors when they could have ended it does feel bad to me. (On the other hand, in terms of quantum Ogre, I don't picture anyone making being unlucky about finding an ogre in a place they might very well have found an ogre, a big part of the story later.&nbsp; Maybe something worse would have been down the other path, for example).&nbsp; I think if the DM had put the promised McGuffin behind door A and left it, that putting an ogre behind whichever they pick first (including A) feels bad to to me compared to either putting the ogre behind whichever wrong door they picked first or having or having predecided the&nbsp; ogre was in the McGuffon room.&nbsp; I'm not sure that's rational, but there it is.&nbsp; All the bad feeling goes away for me if it's a magic dungeon (like in one of Cook's 'Dread Empire' prequels) that clearly has been messing with the players ('you move toward door A and hear a rumbling of giant machines' or 'there's a mist at the door and you feel your stomach lurch as you walk through [teleporting]').&nbsp; Then the story afterwards isn't them being unlucky, it's the sentient dungeon being an expletive.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8336760, member: 6701124"] This feels like something I wouldn't do because the players were promised a choice about something in particular (even if it was essentially random) and it didn't happen. If they didn't suspect the McGuffin was behind one of them, then at first it doesn't seem bad to me to make it the last .. but then later when the emergent story includes how unlucky they were picking the other two doors when they could have ended it does feel bad to me. (On the other hand, in terms of quantum Ogre, I don't picture anyone making being unlucky about finding an ogre in a place they might very well have found an ogre, a big part of the story later. Maybe something worse would have been down the other path, for example). I think if the DM had put the promised McGuffin behind door A and left it, that putting an ogre behind whichever they pick first (including A) feels bad to to me compared to either putting the ogre behind whichever wrong door they picked first or having or having predecided the ogre was in the McGuffon room. I'm not sure that's rational, but there it is. All the bad feeling goes away for me if it's a magic dungeon (like in one of Cook's 'Dread Empire' prequels) that clearly has been messing with the players ('you move toward door A and hear a rumbling of giant machines' or 'there's a mist at the door and you feel your stomach lurch as you walk through [teleporting]'). Then the story afterwards isn't them being unlucky, it's the sentient dungeon being an expletive. [/QUOTE]

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