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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8338929" data-attributes="member: 42582">I think a reasonably easy solution to this (bolded) problem is to do more rolling in the open. I think the traditional D&amp;D obsessions with secret dice rolls is a bit overdone.I think the notion of X as consequence of Y is quite compatible with railroading. Whether or not it is may depend heavily on (i) whether the players have the capacity, in playing the game, to learn of the relationship between X and Y, and (ii) whether its realistic to expect them to do so, given how the game is set up and the various conventions that surround play.In classic dungeon crawling play, players are expected to pay a lot of attention to Y because of X relationships that involve the dungeon architecture and geography, and so those are fair game. Likewise, perhaps, in a mystery game the players might be expected to discern some X-to-Y relationships.But at least in my experience if the game becomes one of spotting the X-to-Y relationships that might be salient, and working them out, it can very quickly become a case of the players doing their best to dance to the GM's tune.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8338929, member: 42582"] I think a reasonably easy solution to this (bolded) problem is to do more rolling in the open. I think the traditional D&D obsessions with secret dice rolls is a bit overdone. I think the notion of [I]X as consequence of Y[/I] is quite compatible with railroading. Whether or not it is may depend heavily on (i) whether the players have the capacity, in playing the game, to learn of the relationship between X and Y, and (ii) whether its realistic to expect them to do so, given how the game is set up and the various conventions that surround play. In classic dungeon crawling play, players are expected to pay a lot of attention to [I]Y because of X[/I] relationships that involve the dungeon architecture and geography, and so those are fair game. Likewise, perhaps, in a mystery game the players might be expected to discern some X-to-Y relationships. But at least in my experience if the game becomes one of spotting the X-to-Y relationships that might be salient, and working them out, it can very quickly become a case of the players doing their best to dance to the GM's tune. [/QUOTE]

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