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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8342647" data-attributes="member: 16814">I'm not sure I follow this.&nbsp; Let's say we have path A and path B.&nbsp; The players learn that there is an encounter of a specific type on path A -- an ogre.&nbsp; They choose to go down path B explicitly to avoid this encounter.&nbsp; The GM determines (however) that they still have some encounter along path B.&nbsp; Okay, we have the setup.&nbsp; I see a few ways this can play out, and I'm not sure it's at all visible to the players:1)&nbsp; The GM moves the ogre encounter, but reskins it as something non-ogre (I guess there's a useful set of stats)?&nbsp; The players do not encounter an ogre, but instead a stat-block like an ogre but with a few flavor changes and perhaps minor mechanical ones? 2)&nbsp; The GM rolls on their random encounter table, and gets an ogre.&nbsp; I'm not sure where this leaves us.3)&nbsp; The GM has an entirely different encounter than an ogre or re-skinned ogre.So, across 1, 2, and 3, the players still have an encounter no matter what.&nbsp; In 1) the GM &quot;palette shifts&quot; but the players may or may not be able to discern this, but they don't encounter an ogre, just a ogre-y stat block.&nbsp; In 2) there's nothing at all railroad-y or palette shifting or quantum ogre-y, but the players still encounter an ogre.&nbsp; In 3, the players don't encounter an ogre (yay!) but still have an encounter.&nbsp; This might looks the same as a successful palette shift to the players.This appears that &quot;palette shifting (1)&quot; is somewhat overblown, in that you can have the same appearance without the attempt (3), and an even worse appearance without the attempt (2).&nbsp; I'm not sure this concept does a lot of work.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8342647, member: 16814"] I'm not sure I follow this. Let's say we have path A and path B. The players learn that there is an encounter of a specific type on path A -- an ogre. They choose to go down path B explicitly to avoid this encounter. The GM determines (however) that they still have some encounter along path B. Okay, we have the setup. I see a few ways this can play out, and I'm not sure it's at all visible to the players: 1) The GM moves the ogre encounter, but reskins it as something non-ogre (I guess there's a useful set of stats)? The players do not encounter an ogre, but instead a stat-block like an ogre but with a few flavor changes and perhaps minor mechanical ones? 2) The GM rolls on their random encounter table, and gets an ogre. I'm not sure where this leaves us. 3) The GM has an entirely different encounter than an ogre or re-skinned ogre. So, across 1, 2, and 3, the players still have an encounter no matter what. In 1) the GM "palette shifts" but the players may or may not be able to discern this, but they don't encounter an ogre, just a ogre-y stat block. In 2) there's nothing at all railroad-y or palette shifting or quantum ogre-y, but the players still encounter an ogre. In 3, the players don't encounter an ogre (yay!) but still have an encounter. This might looks the same as a successful palette shift to the players. This appears that "palette shifting (1)" is somewhat overblown, in that you can have the same appearance without the attempt (3), and an even worse appearance without the attempt (2). I'm not sure this concept does a lot of work. [/QUOTE]

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