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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8343136" data-attributes="member: 23751">Agency is being exercised, though.&nbsp; The group is picking left over right, because they think it makes a difference.&nbsp; That left will be different from right.&nbsp; That left will be different than going off road and continuing straight into the forest.&nbsp; By tossing the quantum ogre onto every choice they make, the DM is denying that choice and their agency in being able to choose a course that makes a difference.Yes, it does impinge, and that impingement affects my choices.&nbsp; If I choose to get to work on time, somebody hitting their brakes a mile ahead of me and cause a chain reaction slowdown is negating that choice by making me late to work.&nbsp; Let's say that I choose to arrive to work on time.&nbsp; I leave on time to get to work and enough braking happens to make me 15 minutes late.&nbsp; Now let's say that the universe really has it out for me, and if I leave 30 minutes early, enough braking will happen to slow me down by 45 minutes late, and if I leave an hour early enough braking will happen to slow me down by an hour and 15 minutes, such that no matter when I leave, I will always be 15 minutes late.&nbsp; My being unaware of that fact does not change that my choice is being negated by the universe.Feeling doesn't matter.&nbsp; Even if I never considered that the universe had it out for me and was making me 15 minutes late no matter what time I chose to leave, it's still negating my choice to arrive on time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8343136, member: 23751"] Agency is being exercised, though. The group is picking left over right, because they think it makes a difference. That left will be different from right. That left will be different than going off road and continuing straight into the forest. By tossing the quantum ogre onto every choice they make, the DM is denying that choice and their agency in being able to choose a course that makes a difference. Yes, it does impinge, and that impingement affects my choices. If I choose to get to work on time, somebody hitting their brakes a mile ahead of me and cause a chain reaction slowdown is negating that choice by making me late to work. Let's say that I choose to arrive to work on time. I leave on time to get to work and enough braking happens to make me 15 minutes late. Now let's say that the universe really has it out for me, and if I leave 30 minutes early, enough braking will happen to slow me down by 45 minutes late, and if I leave an hour early enough braking will happen to slow me down by an hour and 15 minutes, such that no matter when I leave, I will always be 15 minutes late. My being unaware of that fact does not change that my choice is being negated by the universe. Feeling doesn't matter. Even if I never considered that the universe had it out for me and was making me 15 minutes late no matter what time I chose to leave, it's still negating my choice to arrive on time. [/QUOTE]

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