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<blockquote data-quote="evileeyore" data-source="post: 7750388" data-attributes="member: 1768"><p>I can see the comparison.</p><p></p><p>Note however, I hate everything* JJAbrams has made except the Cloverfield movies (which he only produced, no writing, no directing).</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>10 Cloverfield Lane</em> wasn't shaky cam. You're thinking of <em>Cloverfield</em>. (<em>The Cloverfield Paradox</em> also wasn't shaky cam, just shaky premise)</p><p></p><p>* Everything I've seen that he has written or directed, which was the first season of Lost, some of Fringe, Star Trek ID, TFA, and hmmmm. Yeah, that's about it for what he's written/directed that I've watched. I didn't hate <em>Armageddon</em>, but I didn't really enjoy it either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Competent heroes have setbacks, suffer failure, and often grow in some capacity. Mary Sues start at the top of their game, never suffer significant setbacks of failures, and have no character arc.</p><p></p><p>With a competent hero the story and character are written well enough that one will feel they have a chance of failure, you may come to worry if the character is in a dangerous situation.</p><p></p><p>With [-]James Bond[/-] Mary Sue, you just wonder in what awesome manner will they overcome the next speedbump.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, and the above answers why Watney isn't a Mary Sue. You're probably pretty sure he's going to survive to the end of the book, but only because it's extremely rare for an author to kill off a POV character.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll repeat myself for clarity sake: It isn't hyper-competence that creates in one's mind the idea that a character is a 'Mary Sue', it's the lack of setbacks, failures, and meaningful growth.</p><p></p><p>And some Mary Sue's are even enjoyable, I point to Bond, Jason Bourne, The Ocean's movies, etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, largely some Mary Sueism going on (with Batman it depends on the writer, with the Lensmen he even explicitly wrote a chapter about his father starring as the character's father - is this not a prime definition of Mary Sue? The author insert character?).</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think my large dislike with Potter is that I've grown to hate the Chosen One trope.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Data definitely Sued up a few times. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>So... one should simply applaud badly written characters? No, it's sexist to loudly cry out "misogynist' <em>everytime</em> a female character is criticized, even if it is <em>sometimes</em> accurate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As long as the character is well written, please do so.</p><p></p><p>See for instance (my personal abbreviated list): Leia, Ripley, Dorothy, Brienne of Tarth, Kate Beckett, Clarice Starling, Gwen DeMarco, The Bride, Dana Scully, Hermione Granger, Sarah Conner (yes even in the first movie), and saving the best for last, Addie Loggins.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's because in the last twenty years the term has shifted away from "Author Insert Overly Competent Character" into "Overly Competent Character".</p><p></p><p>I've never seen it RPGs... but I suppose the DMNPC and "DM's Character That Is A God/Uber Powerful Quest Giver Named Elminster In His Campaigns" could be it's gaming variant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evileeyore, post: 7750388, member: 1768"] I can see the comparison. Note however, I hate everything* JJAbrams has made except the Cloverfield movies (which he only produced, no writing, no directing). [I]10 Cloverfield Lane[/I] wasn't shaky cam. You're thinking of [I]Cloverfield[/I]. ([I]The Cloverfield Paradox[/I] also wasn't shaky cam, just shaky premise) * Everything I've seen that he has written or directed, which was the first season of Lost, some of Fringe, Star Trek ID, TFA, and hmmmm. Yeah, that's about it for what he's written/directed that I've watched. I didn't hate [I]Armageddon[/I], but I didn't really enjoy it either. Competent heroes have setbacks, suffer failure, and often grow in some capacity. Mary Sues start at the top of their game, never suffer significant setbacks of failures, and have no character arc. With a competent hero the story and character are written well enough that one will feel they have a chance of failure, you may come to worry if the character is in a dangerous situation. With [-]James Bond[/-] Mary Sue, you just wonder in what awesome manner will they overcome the next speedbump. Yes, and the above answers why Watney isn't a Mary Sue. You're probably pretty sure he's going to survive to the end of the book, but only because it's extremely rare for an author to kill off a POV character. I'll repeat myself for clarity sake: It isn't hyper-competence that creates in one's mind the idea that a character is a 'Mary Sue', it's the lack of setbacks, failures, and meaningful growth. And some Mary Sue's are even enjoyable, I point to Bond, Jason Bourne, The Ocean's movies, etc. Yes, largely some Mary Sueism going on (with Batman it depends on the writer, with the Lensmen he even explicitly wrote a chapter about his father starring as the character's father - is this not a prime definition of Mary Sue? The author insert character?). I think my large dislike with Potter is that I've grown to hate the Chosen One trope. Data definitely Sued up a few times. :P So... one should simply applaud badly written characters? No, it's sexist to loudly cry out "misogynist' [I]everytime[/I] a female character is criticized, even if it is [I]sometimes[/I] accurate. As long as the character is well written, please do so. See for instance (my personal abbreviated list): Leia, Ripley, Dorothy, Brienne of Tarth, Kate Beckett, Clarice Starling, Gwen DeMarco, The Bride, Dana Scully, Hermione Granger, Sarah Conner (yes even in the first movie), and saving the best for last, Addie Loggins. It's because in the last twenty years the term has shifted away from "Author Insert Overly Competent Character" into "Overly Competent Character". I've never seen it RPGs... but I suppose the DMNPC and "DM's Character That Is A God/Uber Powerful Quest Giver Named Elminster In His Campaigns" could be it's gaming variant. [/QUOTE]
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