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<blockquote data-quote="James Jacobs" data-source="post: 3424426" data-attributes="member: 23937">My take: The aboleth empire went into decline about the time the slave races they created discovered the deities and developed faith. The concept of deities and worshiping them and gaining powers and spells as a result had never occured to the aboleths, since it was as alien a concept to them as they are to us. Their slave races uprose against them and retook the lands above and the aboleths retreated back into the deep oceans.Meanwhile, on the Abyss, the obyrith demons were in charge before the gods came along; the obyriths were living manifestations of the Abyss' chaos and evil. Their reign on the Abyss came to an end well after the aboleth empire ended (probably on the order of hundreds of thousands of years after) when a powerful obyrith called the Queen of Chaos (not sure why she called herself a queen since she existed before mortal life invented kings and queens—she likely had another name back then and came to be called the Queen of Chaos by mortals who discovered her story eons later) gathered up much of the obyriths and waged war on the forces of law (the elemental Wind Dukes). The obyriths lost and in a semi-parallel track to the aboleths/humanoids, the obyrith's created slave race of the tanar'ri took over what was left of the Abyss after.Those two are the two primordial evils of D&amp;D that I'm most familiar with, in any case. The exact details are kind of mutable between campaigns, in any event.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Jacobs, post: 3424426, member: 23937"] My take: The aboleth empire went into decline about the time the slave races they created discovered the deities and developed faith. The concept of deities and worshiping them and gaining powers and spells as a result had never occured to the aboleths, since it was as alien a concept to them as they are to us. Their slave races uprose against them and retook the lands above and the aboleths retreated back into the deep oceans. Meanwhile, on the Abyss, the obyrith demons were in charge before the gods came along; the obyriths were living manifestations of the Abyss' chaos and evil. Their reign on the Abyss came to an end well after the aboleth empire ended (probably on the order of hundreds of thousands of years after) when a powerful obyrith called the Queen of Chaos (not sure why she called herself a queen since she existed before mortal life invented kings and queens—she likely had another name back then and came to be called the Queen of Chaos by mortals who discovered her story eons later) gathered up much of the obyriths and waged war on the forces of law (the elemental Wind Dukes). The obyriths lost and in a semi-parallel track to the aboleths/humanoids, the obyrith's created slave race of the tanar'ri took over what was left of the Abyss after. Those two are the two primordial evils of D&D that I'm most familiar with, in any case. The exact details are kind of mutable between campaigns, in any event. [/QUOTE]

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