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Why did they change the Keen rule and not the property?
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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1002768" data-attributes="member: 6875"><p>Depends on the elemental, and the weapon. Also note: I didn't neccessarily mean a Fighter/Duellist/Weapon Master. WRT the PrC's -- either or, IMO.</p><p></p><p>As for the weapon: +5, Force, Screaming, Dispelling, Keen; a +10 weapon, which does +2d6 damage (1d6 is [force], the other 1d6 is [sonic]), which might, with luck, be able to <em>dispel</em> that fortified armor, opening the door for Precise Strike. Forge it of Hizagkuur (from <em>Magic of Faerun</em>) for a couple points of bonus damage; the net price would come to 203,000gp, plus the rapier's base price.</p><p></p><p>With a halfway decent strength (say, 13 -- just enough for power attack), you would have 1d6+8+1d6[force]+1d6[sonic]+1[fire]+1[shock] -- totalling 3d6+10. Power attack, versus some targets, would bring that up higher. No crits involved.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think 3d6+10, without a crit and without Precise Strike or Sneak Attack, is reasonable damage. Not that that's also prior to any Power Attack, and it allows for weapon-and-shield.</p><p></p><p>Or even Two-Weapon, which can have it's own benefits (twin rapier could potentially be workable, even).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At higher levels, BAB tends to outstrip AC. Eventually, a dedicated fighter with good to-hit bonusses aside from BAB will be hitting on rolls of 10+ for most encounters ... even more often for some.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>WW doesn't serve a 2H any better than a 1H. Neither does spring attack; Cleave, however, I'll grant you, is of less use to a 1H wielder.</p><p></p><p>Inasfar as the WM goes -- go 2H, with the Falchion (same threat range).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure it is. 20th level, PHB races, splatbook PrCs only, by-the-book with a 32-point buy (or better, if you want). You bring yours, I'll bring mine; you won't be hitting except on a natural 20, regardless. The concept of a Duellist is "reasonable damage and stellar AC", whereas your concept of a "real fighter" seems to be "reasonable AC and stellar damage".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pax, post: 1002768, member: 6875"] Depends on the elemental, and the weapon. Also note: I didn't neccessarily mean a Fighter/Duellist/Weapon Master. WRT the PrC's -- either or, IMO. As for the weapon: +5, Force, Screaming, Dispelling, Keen; a +10 weapon, which does +2d6 damage (1d6 is [force], the other 1d6 is [sonic]), which might, with luck, be able to [i]dispel[/i] that fortified armor, opening the door for Precise Strike. Forge it of Hizagkuur (from [i]Magic of Faerun[/i]) for a couple points of bonus damage; the net price would come to 203,000gp, plus the rapier's base price. With a halfway decent strength (say, 13 -- just enough for power attack), you would have 1d6+8+1d6[force]+1d6[sonic]+1[fire]+1[shock] -- totalling 3d6+10. Power attack, versus some targets, would bring that up higher. No crits involved. I think 3d6+10, without a crit and without Precise Strike or Sneak Attack, is reasonable damage. Not that that's also prior to any Power Attack, and it allows for weapon-and-shield. Or even Two-Weapon, which can have it's own benefits (twin rapier could potentially be workable, even). At higher levels, BAB tends to outstrip AC. Eventually, a dedicated fighter with good to-hit bonusses aside from BAB will be hitting on rolls of 10+ for most encounters ... even more often for some. WW doesn't serve a 2H any better than a 1H. Neither does spring attack; Cleave, however, I'll grant you, is of less use to a 1H wielder. Inasfar as the WM goes -- go 2H, with the Falchion (same threat range). Sure it is. 20th level, PHB races, splatbook PrCs only, by-the-book with a 32-point buy (or better, if you want). You bring yours, I'll bring mine; you won't be hitting except on a natural 20, regardless. The concept of a Duellist is "reasonable damage and stellar AC", whereas your concept of a "real fighter" seems to be "reasonable AC and stellar damage". [/QUOTE]
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