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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5160639" data-attributes="member: 82106">Except I can equally point out that Chaotic Good really fundamentally makes no sense. Good implies imposing rules by which ethical behavior exists. Either good is paramount and beneficial rules must be followed in the interest of that goodness or its not, in which case one can't really be described as good.Likewise, Lawful Evil fundamentally makes no sense. If evil is paramount then the only laws one will be bound to are those imposed by force or those which one can enforce on others for ones own benefit and that isn't lawful anything, its simply rule by force. And again if law is paramount, then it must operate regardless of whether or not it is beneficial to you and how is that really evil? Fundamentally law/chaos are bound up in notions of benefit and mutualism and cannot be separated from good/evil. That was the whole philosophical flaw with the very concept that 9 point alignment was built on. Eliminating the absurdities leaves us with the 4e alignment system, which at least includes just a set of philosophical positions that are self-consistent. Nothing was mucked up, someone just actually sat down and asked some intelligent questions about the whole system and created an improved version. Just because it doesn't conform to a simplistic diagram with 2 axes does not make it inferior, quite the contrary.</blockquote>