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Why Did They Get Rid of the Law & Chaos Alignment?
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5161077" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>And if uncontrolled drunken foolishness is destructive to society then your hypothetical chaotic good person should support that law. If they don't then they're not acting in a good way. The problem with this kind of view is that some degree of law and order is a prerequisite for the existence of society. These laws need not be written down or elaborate or involve a power structure tasked with enforcing them, but they are still RULES. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Its not a matter of 'building a structure'. Sure evil can compel obedience to its wishes but that has nothing to do with a desire for order, it has to do with a desire to benefit oneself. This kind of 'law' is arbitrary and exists at the whim of whomever has the power to impose it. Its not 'law' in any recognizable sense, it is simply a hobnailed boot placed firmly on everyone else's neck. It lasts only so long as force can be applied and extends only as far as the reach of the enforcer.</p><p></p><p>The mob is hardly structured and lawful organization. Its members MIGHT refrain from random violence IF it seems more in their interests to do so because someone else has enough power to hurt them bad if they don't behave. Just look south of the border (if you live in the US) and explain to me how lawful organized crime is...</p><p></p><p>Alignment is FAR too simplistic to capture the actual ethical and moral stance of real people in the real world. You can label people that way, but the results of such labeling are going to be most assuredly wildly inaccurate and practically useless in determining how they will really act.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5161077, member: 82106"] And if uncontrolled drunken foolishness is destructive to society then your hypothetical chaotic good person should support that law. If they don't then they're not acting in a good way. The problem with this kind of view is that some degree of law and order is a prerequisite for the existence of society. These laws need not be written down or elaborate or involve a power structure tasked with enforcing them, but they are still RULES. Its not a matter of 'building a structure'. Sure evil can compel obedience to its wishes but that has nothing to do with a desire for order, it has to do with a desire to benefit oneself. This kind of 'law' is arbitrary and exists at the whim of whomever has the power to impose it. Its not 'law' in any recognizable sense, it is simply a hobnailed boot placed firmly on everyone else's neck. It lasts only so long as force can be applied and extends only as far as the reach of the enforcer. The mob is hardly structured and lawful organization. Its members MIGHT refrain from random violence IF it seems more in their interests to do so because someone else has enough power to hurt them bad if they don't behave. Just look south of the border (if you live in the US) and explain to me how lawful organized crime is... Alignment is FAR too simplistic to capture the actual ethical and moral stance of real people in the real world. You can label people that way, but the results of such labeling are going to be most assuredly wildly inaccurate and practically useless in determining how they will really act. [/QUOTE]
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