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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 4719599" data-attributes="member: 14506">I thought I would reply to a few things that were mentioned in the thread and add some further discussion elements.Vancian-To me Vancian is memorize a spell (power) activate it and then memorize it again after you rest. I have not read the the Jack Vance books this is based upon but I think it is common to call Daily renewal of powers Vancian. 4e removes the memorization portion (except for the wizard) but still says you cannot use an individual daily powers but once between a rest. Additionally other than the Wizard it does not really define how characters get their daily powers back perhaps they do nee to memorize them. Who is to say? So, if you want to split hairs over calling it Vancian be my guest.From my group, we rest when Dailies are gone. We have not really ever hit our healing surges limit. So we rest to get our dailies back, when we are empty on Dailies (one or two encounters), granted in our campaign we have plenty of opportunities to rest (travel, city encounters etc.) In an endless stream of monster filled rooms (dungeon), I don't know yet.The option is there for the players to do that. Whether or not it makes a lot of sense or not or even if the party chooses to do it, it is still there as an option. As the game progresses and as more monster books come out with more difficult beasties and the game just gets harder I predict we will be back to the same place as 3e as far as resting goes. Note, 3e was not auto rest either and it wont be NWN, quite but we will be nudged in that direction.Near the end of the 3e development cycle it was very in vogue to try and remove the dailies from the game and balance the game around the encounter. I really liked that approach. 4e flies against that reason and has several daily resources that would be better served in my opinion with encounter based resources. Who can predict how many encounters the group will have in a day? If they are traveling a lot, they may only have a combat encounter once every couple of days. If they are in a dungeon they may have 12 encounters in one day, who is to say? WotC is with the 4e daily limits.The House Rule for burning action points to do dailies is nice I like that. It basically gives you a daily power every combat encounter. This feels about right. Some further stipulation about you have to use all of your dailies before they open up again or something like that would be good too. So players don't spam the same daily and never do their other ones. Remove the standard use of an AP, make it a feat. In this way, you can basically do a daily every other encounter. As you level up you would begin with more AP and possibly generate more when a milestone is reached. Regaining action points is messy because it winds up being very gamey. I start an encounter by punching a guy in the bar and then run away - haha I got my action point!</blockquote>

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